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		<title>Comment on health news tool #1: you are not goo by Health News Tool #3: What KIND of People?</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=70&#038;cpage=1#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>Health News Tool #3: What KIND of People?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] time a health news report is causing you excessive worry (or manic optimism), when they’ve dodged your goo tool, and perhaps even your size matters tool &#8212; when some editor is rubbing his hands in glee [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] time a health news report is causing you excessive worry (or manic optimism), when they’ve dodged your goo tool, and perhaps even your size matters tool &#8212; when some editor is rubbing his hands in glee [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Health News Tool #2: Size Matters by Soy : miracle food or devil&#8217;s spawn?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soy : miracle food or devil&#8217;s spawn?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] research, it explained that many studies were simply too small to result in definitive answers (see Size Matters). Others looked only for gross developmental changes, and failed to test for subtle changes in [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Does Whole Foods Cause Cancer? by kathy</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=8&#038;cpage=1#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi bassinet and sorry for the long delay in responding.  It&#039;s not really a serious theory, I just wanted to illustrate how bad Mackey&#039;s reasoning is, especially on the subject of health reform.  He may be a great CEO (I wouldn&#039;t know) but as a health policy pundit he&#039;s an air head who doesn&#039;t deserve the air time he gets. 

Still, if you want to spread the love, Trader Joe&#039;s is a great chain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi bassinet and sorry for the long delay in responding.  It&#8217;s not really a serious theory, I just wanted to illustrate how bad Mackey&#8217;s reasoning is, especially on the subject of health reform.  He may be a great CEO (I wouldn&#8217;t know) but as a health policy pundit he&#8217;s an air head who doesn&#8217;t deserve the air time he gets. </p>
<p>Still, if you want to spread the love, Trader Joe&#8217;s is a great chain!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Whole Foods Cause Cancer? by bassinet</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=8&#038;cpage=1#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>bassinet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. Interesting Theory, a little scary as I have a whole foods a couple blocks from where I live and shop their all the time. I think I might drive a few more miles to Trader Joes until I get more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Interesting Theory, a little scary as I have a whole foods a couple blocks from where I live and shop their all the time. I think I might drive a few more miles to Trader Joes until I get more information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Health News Tool #2: Size Matters by women abhor a vacuum</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=186&#038;cpage=1#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>women abhor a vacuum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] number of small studies (remember Size Matters? this is early stuff) have found that miRNA in the blood of test subjects could detect breast [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on What You Really Need to Know About Endocrine Disrupters by kathy</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=174&#038;cpage=1#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, as for the &quot;checks coming in&quot; -- I strongly suspect that BPA manufacturers are collecting far, far bigger checks than, say, Environmental Health Perspectives journal or a handful of greenie blogs.  I don&#039;t see any greenie groups trading in the Dow Industrials index yet.  Let me know when you spot &#039;em there.... (LOL)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, as for the &#8220;checks coming in&#8221; &#8212; I strongly suspect that BPA manufacturers are collecting far, far bigger checks than, say, Environmental Health Perspectives journal or a handful of greenie blogs.  I don&#8217;t see any greenie groups trading in the Dow Industrials index yet.  Let me know when you spot &#8216;em there&#8230;. (LOL)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What You Really Need to Know About Endocrine Disrupters by kathy</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=174&#038;cpage=1#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was not aware of the Consumer Reports article at all.  I was referring to a cluster of studies that have found that BPA can interact with an estrogen receptor on a cell&#039;s nuclear membrane, precipitating a reaction that can result in DNA damage.  These effects are seen at extremely low exposures (low serum levels) and this is viewed as at least a partial answer to why BPA, despite being &quot;weakly&quot; estrogenic, causes such catastrophic developmental damage as a result of fetal exposures.  Here are a handful of examples of studies that all come to this conclusion in a variety of contexts (cancer, developmental harm, etc).  This is not remotely exhaustive, but your comments seemed a little too dismissive, and since I have no idea what Consumer Reports said, I wanted to point you at some independent evidence.

References (note: &quot;very low dose&quot; means levels far below EPA exposure limits):

Very low dose BPA affects male germ cell proliferation: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0800367/0800367.html
Very low dose BPA triggers pancreatic cell DNA transcription factor:  http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/reprint/16/12/1671.pdf
Very low dose BPA triggers chemotherapy resistance in estrogen and non-estrogen dependent breast cancers: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649216/
Summary of how extremely low doses of BPA can trigger cancer-promoting effects: http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics/bpa_health_effects.shtml

And now I have a question for you:
I can&#039;t help noticing that your language is a tad caustic (&quot;lie&quot; &quot;mendacity&quot; &quot;flagrant lies&quot;) so I have to ask -- do you work in the chemical or plastics industries, or have you been hired to blog/write/opine on behalf of a corporation or trade group?  To put it another way:  are you commenting entirely on your own, or on behalf of a third party?  No problem with the latter, but since this blog is all about sharing information, I&#039;d ask that you identify your affiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was not aware of the Consumer Reports article at all.  I was referring to a cluster of studies that have found that BPA can interact with an estrogen receptor on a cell&#8217;s nuclear membrane, precipitating a reaction that can result in DNA damage.  These effects are seen at extremely low exposures (low serum levels) and this is viewed as at least a partial answer to why BPA, despite being &#8220;weakly&#8221; estrogenic, causes such catastrophic developmental damage as a result of fetal exposures.  Here are a handful of examples of studies that all come to this conclusion in a variety of contexts (cancer, developmental harm, etc).  This is not remotely exhaustive, but your comments seemed a little too dismissive, and since I have no idea what Consumer Reports said, I wanted to point you at some independent evidence.</p>
<p>References (note: &#8220;very low dose&#8221; means levels far below EPA exposure limits):</p>
<p>Very low dose BPA affects male germ cell proliferation: <a href="http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0800367/0800367.html" rel="nofollow">http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0800367/0800367.html</a><br />
Very low dose BPA triggers pancreatic cell DNA transcription factor:  <a href="http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/reprint/16/12/1671.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/reprint/16/12/1671.pdf</a><br />
Very low dose BPA triggers chemotherapy resistance in estrogen and non-estrogen dependent breast cancers: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649216/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649216/</a><br />
Summary of how extremely low doses of BPA can trigger cancer-promoting effects: <a href="http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics/bpa_health_effects.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics/bpa_health_effects.shtml</a></p>
<p>And now I have a question for you:<br />
I can&#8217;t help noticing that your language is a tad caustic (&#8221;lie&#8221; &#8220;mendacity&#8221; &#8220;flagrant lies&#8221;) so I have to ask &#8212; do you work in the chemical or plastics industries, or have you been hired to blog/write/opine on behalf of a corporation or trade group?  To put it another way:  are you commenting entirely on your own, or on behalf of a third party?  No problem with the latter, but since this blog is all about sharing information, I&#8217;d ask that you identify your affiliation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What You Really Need to Know About Endocrine Disrupters by Michael D. Shaw</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=174&#038;cpage=1#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D. Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy--

I assume that your comment of BPA &quot;having a much stronger effect than a woman’s natural estradiol&quot; is taken from the absurd commentary by &lt;em&gt;Consumer Reports&lt;/em&gt;, in which they flat-out lie about the results presented in an EPA funded study, published in &lt;em&gt;Toxological Sciences&lt;/em&gt;.

In the study, researchers fed BPA to female rats during pregnancy and lactation at dosage levels approximately 40 to 4,000 times above estimated median human consumption, and the female offspring were studied for effects on behavior and reproductive function. In contrast, the well-known estrogen ethinyl estradiol had significant effects on the rodents, demonstrating the sensitivity of the study and the validity of the results for BPA.

In a pathetic effort to dismiss these results, Consumer Reports reported on its blog that the rats used in the study were insensitive to the very estrogen used as a control, which—as stated above—actually caused significant effects on the animals. Bereft of any argument, they turned to mendacity.

BPA has been tested countless times, and has been determined safe by essentially every government organization in the Western world.

Sad to say, the fear entrepreneurs are now resorting to flagrant lies to scare the public, and keep the checks coming in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy&#8211;</p>
<p>I assume that your comment of BPA &#8220;having a much stronger effect than a woman’s natural estradiol&#8221; is taken from the absurd commentary by <em>Consumer Reports</em>, in which they flat-out lie about the results presented in an EPA funded study, published in <em>Toxological Sciences</em>.</p>
<p>In the study, researchers fed BPA to female rats during pregnancy and lactation at dosage levels approximately 40 to 4,000 times above estimated median human consumption, and the female offspring were studied for effects on behavior and reproductive function. In contrast, the well-known estrogen ethinyl estradiol had significant effects on the rodents, demonstrating the sensitivity of the study and the validity of the results for BPA.</p>
<p>In a pathetic effort to dismiss these results, Consumer Reports reported on its blog that the rats used in the study were insensitive to the very estrogen used as a control, which—as stated above—actually caused significant effects on the animals. Bereft of any argument, they turned to mendacity.</p>
<p>BPA has been tested countless times, and has been determined safe by essentially every government organization in the Western world.</p>
<p>Sad to say, the fear entrepreneurs are now resorting to flagrant lies to scare the public, and keep the checks coming in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What You Really Need to Know About Endocrine Disrupters by kathy</title>
		<link>http://plinktank.com/?p=174&#038;cpage=1#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re raising a good point about phytoestrogens and estrogens in general. What matters with external estrogens, like any potential carcinogen, is the strength and the duration of exposure.  In the case of phytoestrogens from soy, what we know (so far) is that it is a weaker estrogen than that produced by a woman&#039;s body, so that when it binds to estrogen receptors (thereby preventing the body&#039;s stronger estradiol from binding) it has a protective effect.  However, for women who are already post-menopause, and whose endogenous estrogen is at extremely low levels, constant bombardment with high levels of soy protein could actually inch breast cancer risk upward.  This question has not yet been resolved, although large epidemiological studies are exploring the issue.  Current medical evidence suggests that soy is protective against breast cancer when consumed regularly early in life (before and during puberty), may have a neutral effect at mid-life, and may have a cancer-promoting effect late in life. This says nothing of soy&#039;s benefits for the heart, only its role as a source of phytoestrogens.

But, that&#039;s soy phytoestrogen.  The estrogen mimics found in chemicals like BPA are a whole &#039;nother matter.  For starters, no one understands how potent they are. Originally, BPA was believed to be a very weak estrogen, but a recent study found that, once bound to a certain type of receptor, it can actually have a much stronger effect than a woman&#039;s natural estradiol.  Secondly, no one knows the dose that anyone in this country is actually exposed to for any one of these chemicals, let alone the whole chemical soup we&#039;re exposed to daily.  Until we begin to answer those questions (and we have not even begun), people need to understand that they are playing with fire.  Or, more accurately, playing with carcinogens.  Nothing wrong with personal choice (smokers play with carcinogens, as do people whose work or hobbies involve exposure to gasoline, oil paints, turpentine, etc. etc.).  The problem is:  people are taking these risks UNKNOWINGLY, because someone whose sole interest was profit made the decision for them, based on grossly inadequate safety information.  That&#039;s where we have a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re raising a good point about phytoestrogens and estrogens in general. What matters with external estrogens, like any potential carcinogen, is the strength and the duration of exposure.  In the case of phytoestrogens from soy, what we know (so far) is that it is a weaker estrogen than that produced by a woman&#8217;s body, so that when it binds to estrogen receptors (thereby preventing the body&#8217;s stronger estradiol from binding) it has a protective effect.  However, for women who are already post-menopause, and whose endogenous estrogen is at extremely low levels, constant bombardment with high levels of soy protein could actually inch breast cancer risk upward.  This question has not yet been resolved, although large epidemiological studies are exploring the issue.  Current medical evidence suggests that soy is protective against breast cancer when consumed regularly early in life (before and during puberty), may have a neutral effect at mid-life, and may have a cancer-promoting effect late in life. This says nothing of soy&#8217;s benefits for the heart, only its role as a source of phytoestrogens.</p>
<p>But, that&#8217;s soy phytoestrogen.  The estrogen mimics found in chemicals like BPA are a whole &#8216;nother matter.  For starters, no one understands how potent they are. Originally, BPA was believed to be a very weak estrogen, but a recent study found that, once bound to a certain type of receptor, it can actually have a much stronger effect than a woman&#8217;s natural estradiol.  Secondly, no one knows the dose that anyone in this country is actually exposed to for any one of these chemicals, let alone the whole chemical soup we&#8217;re exposed to daily.  Until we begin to answer those questions (and we have not even begun), people need to understand that they are playing with fire.  Or, more accurately, playing with carcinogens.  Nothing wrong with personal choice (smokers play with carcinogens, as do people whose work or hobbies involve exposure to gasoline, oil paints, turpentine, etc. etc.).  The problem is:  people are taking these risks UNKNOWINGLY, because someone whose sole interest was profit made the decision for them, based on grossly inadequate safety information.  That&#8217;s where we have a problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What You Really Need to Know About Endocrine Disrupters by Michael D. Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D. Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow--

I guess you better also stop eating soy and all vegetables, which contain very potent endocrine disruptors, as well.

BTW--ERs are not necessarily a bad thing, either, as soy is protective against breast and prostate cancer.

http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Another_Stake_Through_The_Heart_Of_Phthalate_Fears.shtml

http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Disrupting_The_-Endocrine_Disruptor-_Hypothesis.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8211;</p>
<p>I guess you better also stop eating soy and all vegetables, which contain very potent endocrine disruptors, as well.</p>
<p>BTW&#8211;ERs are not necessarily a bad thing, either, as soy is protective against breast and prostate cancer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Another_Stake_Through_The_Heart_Of_Phthalate_Fears.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Another_Stake_Through_The_Heart_Of_Phthalate_Fears.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Disrupting_The_-Endocrine_Disruptor-_Hypothesis.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthnewsdigest.com/news/contributing%20columnist0/Disrupting_The_-Endocrine_Disruptor-_Hypothesis.shtml</a></p>
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